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Why are show breeders producing German Shepherd Dogs with deformed hind legs?

I saw a German Shepherd at the Eukanuba dog show, the best of breed dog, whose hind legs were fixed in a permanently flexed position. His back was extremely sloped, giving him a hyena-ish look and his trot was awkward. As this was the Best of Breed dog, I assume that this is what all the AKC breeders are trying to produce. What's happening?

No, [Jessica] - that's a vague rebel document arrogantly invented by ever-so-independent Yanks. Brits & Canucks also independently invented rebel "Standards". None have any right to do so.
The Deutsche Schäferhund (real name of the GSD) is a GERMAN breed. Its Standard is discussed & approved internationally by the WUSV (World Union of GSD Clubs, with 77 member nations - GSDCA & USCA are voting members; USCA accepts the WUSV's democratic decisions, GSDCAmerica ignores them). The 2009 Conference made Langstockhaars a separate variety of GSD, but that's not yet in FCI#166: http://www.fci.be/uploaded_files/166A1991_en.doc

A standing GSD should have:
Neck no higher than 45°; croup at 22½°.
Shoulder-blade & its upper-arm each at close to 45°, forming just a little wider than a right-angle around the shoulder-joint.
Rear-most hock vertical, with that foot 50mm/2" from the tail-root, causing a 120° angle around each of heel & knee on that side.
The other rear pad is best under the hip socket, causing a 90° angle around that knee.
The ONLY part of the GSDCAmerica's Illustrated Standard worth having is http://www.gsdca.org/Noframes/standard/Illo22.htm showing the 3 stance positions in which a GSD's hind-quarters can be judged. Yanks can't read their own rebel Standard!

GSDs do NOT "stalk" - canines run prey to exhaustion. No " 'stalked' position" for a GSD.
Nor do GSDs have a "dramatic slope of the thighs and back".
I have no idea what "dramatic slope of the thighs" means, but the BACK is 5 near-level bones; the top-line is to end in a croup angled at 22½° from level.

[alika163]: I recognise 6 deviations from GSDs: AlsatiOns, German Crouchers, NAmerican Ski-Slope Dogs, Prick-Eared Bassets, Teeth-on-Feet, Titanic Tail-Tuckers. You'll see some plus some real GSDs in http://www.leabashiba.com/fashion.vs.GSD.htm .
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_GSD_Source/links/Defining_a_GSD_001261993982/ tells the MANY things Germans and lovers of genuine GSDs require before breeding from what The KC, AKC, CKC etc register as "GSDs" without checking more than (1) Is the right fee enclosed? (2) Are both alleged-parents in the GSD Registry? (3) Is the name applied-for still available?

[Arggg]: It doesn't CAUSE HD. But people who don't need a pooch to trot for 14 hours, to leap over walls, nor to win beyond 2-3 years old, can 'forgive' hip dysplasia if it doesn't really hurt the dog yet.( A stud can sire via AI, and owners don't feel the 20 lbs pregnancy adds to what a brood must support...)

No, [gsdluvr] - it is excessive OVER-angulation. Mechanically, the knee must by HIGHER than the heel to create an enduring, apparently effortless gait. A GSD's hock must NEVER touch the ground.

[Carrie]:
Blame professionalism & commercialism.
• Professional judges place what ringsides approve of - that way a judge expects to be popular. Popular judges get lots of judging fees. Unpopular judges get appointments only when a popular judge has to drop out at the last minute.
• Commercial breeders need winners in their litters' pedigrees, so buyers will pay exorbitant prices. So they exhibit what judges are putting up. To a large degree that means having a dog "like the rest, but different in some way" so it will catch the judge's eye. One pro handler in a line-up where any of 5 champion dogs could have won caught the judge's eye by posing his dog facing left instead of right
• Pro handlers need wins so clients willingly pay high fees. In the USofA booklets detail what each judge "likes" and "who he put up". Pro handlers look at the appointments list well-ahead & work out where "he" has the best chance of winning the most classes then advises clients which dogs to enter where.

At SV-type shows judges have the pedigrees & BS Reports (including information on hip & elbow scores and training qualifications), and before being allowed into that weekend's show ring adult exhibits have to FIRST prove adequate courage & trainability by performing the "bail, escort & stop" so-called man-work from SchH (it's also part of HGH).
Canucks wanting GSDs must patronise GSSCC, not CKC or GSDCC.
Yanks wanting GSDs must patronise USCA & WDA, not AKC or GSDCAmerica.

SV judges are currently under orders to heavily penalise (including eviction from the ring) for oversize, for weak hocks.

• To ask about GSDs, join some of the 400+ YahooGroups dedicated to various aspects of living with GSDs. Each group's Home page tells you which aspects they like to discuss, and how active they are. Unlike YA, they are set up so that you can have an ongoing discussion with follow-up questions for clarification. Most allow you to include photos.
Les P, owner of GSD_Friendly: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/GSD_Friendly
"In GSDs" as of 1967

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working dog, GSD breeders in Illinois?

I'm trying to find a good job of German shepherd dog breeders in Illinois? Or any other kennels in the Chicago area who have working dogs, as Schutzhund or protection. I'm not sure what race I want, "my main goal is the training of protection, and Schutzhund PSA. Any kennels?

Here are some breeders: http://www.mybodyguarddogs.com/ http://www.mittelwest.com/ http://www.shootingstarshepherds.com/ And here is a link to the club which was mentioned by another post, there are some breeders who participate in the club, but would have to go there and talk to some members: You http://www.gsdca.org/ You can also contact Schutzhund club, as they have some members who are breeders: http://www.buroakhundesport.com/

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working dog, GSD breeders in Illinois?

I'm trying to find a good job of German shepherd dog breeders in Illinois? Or any other kennels in the Chicago area who have working dogs, as Schutzhund or protection. I'm not sure what race I want, "my main goal is the training of protection, and Schutzhund PSA. Any kennels?

Here are some breeders: http://www.mybodyguarddogs.com/ http://www.mittelwest.com/ http://www.shootingstarshepherds.com/ And here is a link to the club which was mentioned by another post, there are some breeders who participate in the club, but would have to go there and talk to some members: You http://www.gsdca.org/ You can also contact Schutzhund club, as they have some members who are breeders: http://www.buroakhundesport.com/